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Greg T.
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While hunting for Michigan Sharptailed grouse ( Tympanuchus phasianellis campestris) we used a Yamaha UTV.
It had rained about 10 inches over the previous 3 weeks in the areas of the cuts I planned to visit. The lands I hunted were full of water. Water flowed down the sandy trails, and every low area was full. It was a mess. The trails were impassable in a pick up.

My camp has a Rhino, and I decided to try using it to get around in all the water.

Wow.

I forded swampy areas 2 feet deep ( Half way up the doors) pushing through at 4-9 mph. Pushing a large wake. Mud up to 1 foot deep offered no resistance other than mess.
I often had to put my feet on the dash.

I strapped two dog boxes into the dump box with no problem.
I stayed to the trails, and parked next to cuts I wished to hunt.

It increased my areas covered two or three fold, and easily decreased my fatigue by half.
It is no wonder why they are so commonly used in big country.

I have been against their use for bird hunting because of the damage to the environment, and the lure of road sluicing. But after having used one, and having seen my effectiveness multiplied, I am reconsidering their use.

Has anyone here evaluated the various models out there? I'd want plowing abilities, and a heated cab. Gas or diesel is unimportant.
I believe a UTV might get some of my older friends back in the woods again.

"Chemists make good solutions" πŸ™‚

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Posted : November 5, 2013 11:31 pm
Orlyn Gaddis
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I have an Arctic Cat Prowler that I use for bird hunting in southwestern Idaho. The country out here is so steep and the roads get so slick when it rains that they become virtually impassable. It used to be that if it rained I would spend all morning and all my energy just walking to the areas I wanted to start hunting. The UTV has changed all that. I only use it on established roads/trails. The Prowler model I have has a flatbed that provides room for a couple of lock boxes for all my gear and a large kennel that can accommodate 2 Brittanys. Unfortunately Arctic Cat only made the flatbed one year (2009). When evaluating different UTVs one criteria I was looking at was engine braking. Some manufacturer's do not include this so you basically freewheel down the steep mountain roads, riding the brakes the whole way. I have a soft cab and doors on mine and also installed a heater with registers on the dash to defrost/defog and registers near the floor. The radiator doesn't put out a lot of heat but it does keep the window defogged. The main thing is we are out of the weather in the enclosed cab. Today was a good example. It snowed most of the day while we were out bird hunting and was snowing hard as we were returning to camp. Feet got a little chilly but we stayed dry. Didn't have to worry about slick conditions or tearing up the road because the low pressure tires just float over it. It really takes a lot of the worry out of trying to beat a storm off the mountain. I almost never drive off road in the pickup anymore. The UTV is far more comfortable on the rough mountain roads and saves wear and tear on the truck.

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Posted : November 6, 2013 2:29 am
Dave B - L.C. Smith Man
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Greg T.
As long as you are on private property or you are a crippled Vet they are great, here in Pa the SFL & SGL are out of bounds for them, except in certain designated areas. No motorized vehicles allowed, is just fine with me most of the time.
RGD/Dave

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Posted : November 6, 2013 12:09 pm
Greg T.
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Orlyn, Are you related to Royce?
I talked with him one year while out in the sandhills.

Dave- No outdoorsperson is more rule bound than I. But I am also a realist. There are literally caravans of ATV's on the county roads every weekend now throughout the forests of MI. We have designated trails, and pay fees to protect their environment.
Make no mistake, the ATV clock isn't going to be turned back in Michigan.

Most cuts have temporary roads punched in to them in the fall, for winter logging. These temporary roads are excellent pathways between cut over areas. Other cuts are along section roads.
If a person behaves responsibly, they could access millions of acres, and never have the UTV leave a road bed.

My interest is heightened because as time goes on, my hunting friends continue to find new excuses to not go. I know it is the burden of old age creeping in. Cold, rain, mud, discomfort, sore legs, all add up to staying inside. A UTV just might ease the burden enough that my pals (or my wife) could come along, and sit in the cab listening to a ball game if they didn't want to take a walk with the dogs.

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Posted : November 6, 2013 1:58 pm
gspdog
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I'm glad that you were able to salvage you hunt but if it comes down to this, A UTV just might ease the burden enough that my pals (or my wife) could come along, and sit in the cab listening to a ball game if they didn't want to take a walk with the dogs. It's time for the pasture.


"Dogs are what we allowed them to be"

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Posted : November 6, 2013 2:26 pm
Greg T.
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As long as my heart beats, I'll be out there.
You can rail against technology, but it isn't going away.
I can't see any reason against a friend opting out of a loop or two over a days hunting. So what if I can go 6hrs/day, and he/she might only be able to do 4. They still get to see the country, and when a little more rested, they can do the next copse. Maybe they aren't as fit as I, or maybe their foot is sore, or their dog is full of burrs. There are lots of reasons that on a day made of 6, 1.25hr loops through the forest, a person might want to sit a couple out.

For some, the older they get, the more the chance to get out a little means.

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Posted : November 6, 2013 2:47 pm
Wyobio
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If a person behaves responsibly, they could access millions of acres, and never have the UTV leave a road bed.

Ahh, but how many ATV riders on public land act responsibly? I always hear that it is a minority that break the rules, but if that is the case, why does virtually every berm, road closed gate and sign have an ATV trail and a network of spur roads extending well beyond?

During elk and deer season in the west, it is an arms race to see who can get the furthest into the back country before they have to walk. The animals soon learn to avoid areas with easy access, so the trail cutters push further and further.

They certainly have there place, but IMHO using them for bird hunting to avoid walking into your hunting areas is a slippery slope.....

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Posted : November 6, 2013 2:49 pm
Dave Noell
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Nearly all of my exposure to ATV/UTV's revolves around big game hunting in the west. I've seen them more than a few times where they weren't supposed to be. I think they entrap their drivers too often into being road hunters.

I can see their value for say, chukar hunting where you use one instead of a full size 4x4 to go up a two track to gain a ridge line.

Give me a dog that will run and a horse that will walk

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Posted : November 6, 2013 3:08 pm
Greg T.
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I am confident there is an east/west aspect to this issue.
My whole state has been logged. It's been surveyed, plotted, transected, divided, whatever you want to call it.
Because ruffed grouse reach their highest densities in young forest, you might as well hunt the cuts.
They've been cleared with tracked vehicles, and roads punched in to let the logs be loaded on trucks.
It looks terrible after a cutting. But, in just 3-4 years, it's a patchwork of grouse heaven.

A UTV parked on a logging skidder trail isn't making things worse.

I do understand the fragility of wild lands on thin soils, and hopefully I've been clear about the park and walk aspect of this.

Also, and it's a little humbling to admit, a new pick up costs 50K. Grinding it's edges off on grown up two tracks isn't that interesting anymore. Weird how that never used to bother me.

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Posted : November 6, 2013 3:20 pm
gspdog
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Nearly all of my exposure to ATV/UTV's revolves around big game hunting in the west. I've seen them more than a few times where they weren't supposed to be. I think they entrap their drivers too often into being road hunters.

I can see their value for say, chukar hunting where you use one instead of a full size 4x4 to go up a two track to gain a ridge line.

Even there Dave the Rules get abused.
Several years back a Game and Fish guy I was talking to issued over 80 tickets opening week end mostly to guys hunting Chukar behind their labs in places they should not have been off of ATV's.
I can see an old guy riding one of those things on two tracks while handling his dogs with out a gun for a friend or two. But for anything other than that it would sicken me if I was to resort to such a thing. No better or worse than road hunting out of a pick up. IMO.


"Dogs are what we allowed them to be"

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Posted : November 6, 2013 4:52 pm
Greg T.
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GSPdog, We agree on the abuse issues.
I am going to buy a left over 2011 Rhino. Rebates, incentives, and dealer closeout pricing support.
Here, where the roads and trails are generally marked, ATV's can be a real boon. But in the west, where scars last decades and the air is thin, I would probably opt for greater restrictions on their use.

I don't see myself as a hypocrite, but rather as a realist. The mountains of the west are different than the eastern forests.

I'm having the plow brackets added, so I can tell my wife it's for plowing our driveway!

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Posted : November 6, 2013 5:57 pm
grousemunster
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my only complaint with ATV is noise while you are hunting.
about time they make electric ATV .

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Posted : November 7, 2013 2:10 pm
gspdog
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my only complaint with ATV is noise while you are hunting.
about time they make electric ATV .

They have them.


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Posted : November 7, 2013 2:32 pm
idahonavy
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Greg, Many places here in ID and OR I hunt require several miles of walk-in just to get to before they are "game-rich" or contain suitable habitat. Even when those of us get to that point, it's still a 4-8 mile hike/hunt. In yrs where there has been severe drought conditions (as this yr and last) it may require even longer expeditions. Taking an expensive diesel rig into the back country has tremendous limitations where an ATV/UTV can make the transition with relative ease. Additionally, I have quite a few dogs/pups that need working...so having the ATV/UTV as a sub-station and a means of transferring and replacing dogs is a time saver for me. Also, the ability to travel country from covert to covert quickly also plays into affect. We're not all 30yrs old anymore and having a means to get you out of back country quickly with an injury goes without saying. But, on-the-other-hand, I also dislike the abuses that are associated with them. As far as the scars from ATVs mentioned....I see the abuses that cattle leave in areas where they loiter and remain well after their BLM lease is up for the Fall, the wintering grounds for Elk, Deer and other wildlife (including Sage Grouse, possibly soon to be listed) that are destroyed and grass chewed to the dirt....and I think to myself sometimes, "How am I doing any worse than the cattle". I can mention too, some of the BLM offices in ID get tired of me and my other partners calling to report cattle and ATV misuse. That being said, ATVs/UTVs are another added expense that can be quite a pain when we already spend loads.

An example of a UTV road hunter just the other day: I was working three young dogs, one of the younger pups had pointed a covey of Chukars. Two fellas drove-up in a UTV within 50 yrds of me and pup, just as they got near, the birds took off, the pup was gone and one of the fellas walked over to me and asked if I had found any birds and have I seen any big bucks. I said "Yea, they just flushed and I haven't seen any deer".

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Posted : November 7, 2013 9:36 pm
Greg T.
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I've seen the scars from trucks above tree line that were made over 50 years ago. It's different in managed forests that are on a cutting cycle.
I was going to buy a small tractor, but I went with the Rhino instead.

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Posted : November 8, 2013 12:21 am
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