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English Setter's Demise???  

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Crazy Horse RVN
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English Setters, the Endangered Species in England

 

According to England’s The Kennel Club, the fate of the English setter hangs in the balance. Evidently the noble bird dog has fallen out of favor with Brits.

The Kennel Club is both the country’s, as well as the world’s, oldest recognized governing body for canine activities. One of its missions is the national register of pedigree which ensures proper breeding practices. When registrants fall below 300 for the year, the organization considers the breed to be at the risk of extinction. Founded in 1873 The Kennel Club maintains records of all registered breeds in England.

While the English setter is-popular in the United States it’s numbers are imperiled in Great Britain.

The English setter first landed on the endangered list in 2011 when only 265 pups were registered. A wave of optimism came the following year when 347 registrations posted a 25 percent increase. Since then English setter numbers have hovered around 300 until they dropped in 2017 to a record low of 261 pups.  Other dogs in jeopardy are the Gordon setter and the Irish Red and White setter.

The impact of celebrity-owned pets is considered to be a major reason for the English setter’s fall from grace. When socialite Paris Hilton was featured with her handbag Chihuahua, The Kennel Club reported registration increases of more than 6,000 dogs. Other reasons cited are reduced numbers of bird hunters.

But celebrity dog fashion doesn’t account for the reason that English setters, Gordon setters, Irish Red and White setters, English cockers and British-bred Labrador retrievers are thriving in the United States. The cultural difference may be a tremendous factor as to why foreign sporting dog breeds are thriving here across the pond.

Public hunting is the hallmark of American sporting society, and when hunters have access to large amounts of public land their need for dogs increases.  If wild bird hunting isn’t enough, preserve hunting offers state-side hunters an additional opportunity to work dogs on a regular basis.

One of the UK’s native sporting breeds has-fallen-out of favor. So, too, have others.

Hunting in the UK is costly, and access can be difficult to attain thereby rendering the sport to those of privilege. Field trials are on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean, but due to the United States’ increased size and population density there are far many more competitions and training events than abroad.

Even so, people’s tastes and preferences have changed over the years.  When the American Kennel Club was founded in 1884 only nine purebred breeds were recognized. The Chesapeake Bay Retriever, the Clumber Spaniel, the English, Gordon, and Irish setters, the Irish Water Spaniel, the English pointer, and both the Sussex and Cocker spaniel. In 2017, The American Kennel Club maintained records for 190 different breeds. This represents an increase of 2011 percent of additional dog breeds. An interesting fact is that the AKC does not keep records of vulnerable breeds.

The AKC stated that 2011 was the ‘year of the setters’ and English, Gordons, Irish and Red and Whites increased in popularity. English setter rankings increased from the position of 101st to 87th. It’s 2018 now, so I think I’ll make a personal contribution to that list.  In fact, I think I’ll get another setter.  Setters are like potato chips.  You can’t have just one…

 

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Posted : July 24, 2018 10:07 am
Dave B - L.C. Smith Man
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Crazy Horse RVN,

   Setter dogs may have fallen out favor in countries where it's hard to have access to hunt.  Here in the USA however there is no danger in them becoming extinct.  Lots of them around to choose from, all over the country.  You may have to wait however to purchase the Setter dog you most want.  Most Setter breeders have waiting lists here in the USA.

As the article indicates we have the land to hunt on here in the USA, where in England access is a lot tougher, limited access tends to lead to limited dog ownership where hunting dogs are concerned.

Dave B. - L.C. Smith Man

 

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Posted : July 24, 2018 11:08 am
Junnie
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IMHO:  All quality hunting breeds are in danger:   When one studies the pedigrees of modern English Setter field trial winners and the outstanding shooting dog performers, it is remarkable how the genealogies trace to these early Setter immortals through such noted producers as Eugene's Ghost, Nugym, Florendale Lou's Beau, Beau Essig, Beau Essig's Don, Equity, Sam L's Skyrocket, Sport's Peerless, Sport's Peerless Pride and Bobbitt's Peerless Pride, Mississippi Zev, Commander's Hightone Beau, Turnto, Hightone's Rip, Sam L's Rebel, Wonsup, Flaming Star, Hickory Pride, Toronado, Tomoka, Grouse Ridge Will, Mr. Thor and others. As a matter of interest, the immortal Sport's Peerless is the leading all-time English Setter sire from the standpoint of number of winners produced. "Sandy" won nineteen times himself, producing 168 winners that amassed a total of 608 wins!

All it takes is one back yard breeding, and you'll ruin 100 years of quality breeding.  Some dummy thinks his house dog is quality and wants to make a couple of bucks...  a true shame......  Never the less there still are some quality breedings around.

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Posted : July 24, 2018 12:20 pm
Crazy Horse RVN
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I'm impressed  at how you quoted all those dog names off the top of your head. Amazing!!!  ;~)

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Posted : July 24, 2018 1:07 pm
Junnie
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Don't know if your pulling my chain or not??  As a youngster, reading in Field & Stream, Outdoor Life and other sportsmen magazine, gave me a thrill.  My hearts desire to run a big time Setter in the Nationals at Ames Plantation...  It is wonderful to watch big runners tearing up the country and swap end for end....  FANTASTIC. 😯    POINT.....  The graphic above:   See Johnny Run?

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Posted : July 24, 2018 1:17 pm
Crazy Horse RVN
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Just having a little fun with you, but I did make a mental note of the name "Sport's Peerrless" for future reference should I ever decide to get a Eng Pointer. I'll make sure he has that lineage.  ;~)

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Posted : July 24, 2018 5:26 pm
Dave B - L.C. Smith Man
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Gentlemen,

   George Ryman used Sport's Peerrless as an out crossing for his Ryman Grouse Dog Kennel.  Then bred back to his major family line to produce some of the finest Grouse dog stock ever made.

Crazy Horse RVN,

   That should be English Setter not English Pointer in your last post.

Dave B. - L.C. Smith Man

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Posted : July 24, 2018 6:02 pm
gunut
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Think they will be renaming it soon enough....European Union Setter....

gunut

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Posted : July 24, 2018 6:44 pm
Crazy Horse RVN
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Thanks Dave. I rarely make a mistake  🙄 ......but when I do it's a big one.  ;~)

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Posted : July 24, 2018 7:16 pm
Junnie
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Pointer sires of the early era also possessed tremendous nervous energy and prodigious virility, such as King of Kent, Jingo, Rip Rap, Alford's John, Fishel's Frank, Hard Cash, Manitoba Rap, and they made important production contributions to the rise of the shorthair breed. Strong individuality and marked prepotency earmarked these extraordinary producers and their get. Additionally, such great Pointer producers as Comanche Frank, John Proctor, Ferris' Manitoba Rap, Ferris' Jake, Muscle Shoals' Jake, Seaview Rex, John Willing Jr., Village Boy and Spunky Creek Boy were endowed with a fierce independence of spirit and an indomitable determination to hunt for birds. Their names are prominent in Pointer pedigrees. In the ultra modern group, such might be added as Carolina Frank, Doctor Blue Willing, Egyptian Shot, Air Pilot's Sam, Lexington Jake, Rex's Tarheel Jack, plus such notables as Lester's Enjoy's Wahoo, Ariel, Luminary, Shore's Brownie Doone, The Texas Ranger, Tyson, Wayriel and Saturn. Among the more current leading Pointer sires are the names of A Rambling Rebel, Fast Delivery and Fast Drug Delivery, Flush's Country Squire, Gunsmoke, Lone Survivor, Home Again Mike, Medallion, Mercer Miller, Paladin, Paladin's Royal Heir, Paladin's Royal Flush, Palamonium, Rambling Rebel Dan, The Arkansas Ranger, Warhoop Jake, Wayriel Allegheny Sport, Seairup, Stormy Mike, Smokepole, The Haberdasher, Tiny Wahoo, Titanup, Satilla Wahoo Pete. Tyson and his grandsire, Spunky Creek Boy, were one-two on the all-time list of Pointer sires until into the 1970s. At this writing, Riggins White Knight is the leader with statistics of 23 wins,342 winners with 1766 wins. Guard Rail ranks second with 42-284-2022, followed by Paladin's Royal Flush with 16-283-1396. Evolution is fourth 17-269-1417 and Pork Roll boasts impressive figures also,20-256-1126. Quite a few more names, those of sires with more than 200 winners, could be listed.

 

 

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Posted : July 25, 2018 3:53 pm
john mcg
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I can't imagine the demise of the English Setter. They are admired by a whole bunch of people.

The notion seems ridiculous.

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