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thornton
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Posted by: @greg-t  ..Its not an uncommon story,  no margin no mission.

Meaning the same thought as evidenced by the NWTF's spreading of their bird about the town like cordwood in order to rake in banquet tables...????

Or, is the U.P. able to support the bird on it's own hook now? At least, with an optimistic view of potential and a bit of luck.

Regardless, the sharp-tail appears worth the increased interest and fills a habitat niche, perhaps.

Good luck to 'em.

It is a shame that more folks are not informed or do not care to drop an opinion....which also, is not an uncommon story re wild critters and their homes.

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Posted : August 6, 2019 11:50 am
Greg T.
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I prefer you to say irregardless. 🙂

I don’t fault industry for not making use of scrub pine.

In this case, (as I helped to build the plant that eats the low value material), I see it as a happy coincidence that Sharptails can benefit from it.

There may be vestigial groups around Camp Grayling to help mix up the genes, and provide birds to spread around the new cutting areas.

 

I think the identification of the coming habitat is a good observation to capitalize on.

 

 

"Chemists make good solutions" 🙂

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Posted : August 6, 2019 1:19 pm
thornton
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Posted by: @greg-t

I prefer you to say irregardless. 🙂......

 

 

I prefer to say irregardless but did not wish to distract, needlessly.

I think new markets can be a good thing....it's all in the particulars and the placement.

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Posted : August 6, 2019 1:28 pm
Greg T.
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 I freely admit to being an optimist.

the central LP is a massive sand dune.  It grows scrub pine.

Arauco found a way to use it for pressed board, and IKEA uses it straight from the tap.

Its a big economic improvement in that area.

The mass tonnage needed is projected to creat mucho habitato.

"Chemists make good solutions" 🙂

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Posted : August 6, 2019 1:42 pm
john mcg
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Posted by: @greg-t

 I freely admit to being an optimist.

the central LP is a massive sand dune.  It grows scrub pine.

Arauco found a way to use it for pressed board, and IKEA uses it straight from the tap.

Its a big economic improvement in that area.

The mass tonnage needed is projected to creat mucho habitato.

This all very good news. I had no idea there were sharptails in that part of the world.

Then why would I. I always associated Ruffed Grouse with the area.

So good to learn new stuff.

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Posted : August 6, 2019 3:39 pm
Dave B - L.C. Smith Man
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John mcg,

    Turning a blind eye to any part of a given problem allows for making points in a conversation that really have little effect on the actual problem. It's a way of controlling the out come of any conversation, anyone who actually believes politics does not play a part in Game management, Forest management or our 2nd Amendment rights, is turning a blind eye to reality, to further an agenda.

IMO biological evidence should always be used to manage hunting seasons and forest management, unproven theories should never be used as part of any management decision.  No matter from whom or where the unproven theory originates.

Dave B - L.C. Smith Man

  

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Posted : September 29, 2019 6:20 pm
Lee Sykes
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How ironic.

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Posted : September 29, 2019 7:06 pm
Moonshine
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Indeed.

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Posted : September 29, 2019 9:39 pm
Further North
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August 4th to September 29th...longest "I hope they don't notice my delayed response." post, I can ever recall seeing...

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"Some people stand tall as great leaders because they elevate all the people around them, some seek to stand tall by pushing all around them down."

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Posted : September 30, 2019 12:09 am
john mcg
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Posted by: @dave-buehner

John mcg,

    Turning a blind eye to any part of a given problem allows for making points in a conversation that really have little effect on the actual problem. It's a way of controlling the out come of any conversation, anyone who actually believes politics does not play a part in Game management, Forest management or our 2nd Amendment rights, is turning a blind eye to reality, to further an agenda.

IMO biological evidence should always be used to manage hunting seasons and forest management, unproven theories should never be used as part of any management decision.  No matter from whom or where the unproven theory originates.

Dave B - L.C. Smith Man

  

Dave---I am not sure what it is you are trying to convey to me, here.

Please clarify--a connection to my post you quoted. Having trouble keeping up, I reckon.

Thank you.

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Posted : September 30, 2019 1:46 pm
Dave B - L.C. Smith Man
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John mcg,

   A couple pages back you talked about people refraining from talking politics, my post was directed to this.  I probably should have referenced it before I posted my opinion.   

Dave B - L.C. Smith Man

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Posted : September 30, 2019 3:04 pm
john mcg
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Posted by: @dave-buehner

John mcg,

   A couple pages back you talked about people refraining from talking politics, my post was directed to this.  I probably should have referenced it before I posted my opinion.   

Dave B - L.C. Smith Man

Ah yes--I am caught up, now. Maybe.

I wonder if it is possible to discuss the issues that politics touch, without making 'politics' the hammer?

No--let me correct myself. I don't wonder. I am certain that effort can accomplish this.

Axes are best ground in the shop before the edge is brought to bear.

Full disclosure: I am a consumer of all things politic...just sayin'.

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Posted : September 30, 2019 3:21 pm
Dave B - L.C. Smith Man
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John mcg,

    I am also a consumer of all things political and was disappointed that the SSBB removed that portion of the forum. As I indicated before turning a blind eye to any important subject matter, especially about our guns & hunting sport is never a good idea.  Most of the people interested in the politics that are effecting our Shooting Sportsman world have found new and different forums to participate on.  Unfortunately this has not helped the SSBB participation what so ever.  In fact the SSBB has become very slow in the recent weeks.

 IMO I have always viewed hunters as the real shooting sportsman, shooting clays of any kind was just practice for hunting.  Now however practice shooting clays seems to have become a major part of being a shooting sportsman.  To upland hunters, especially Grouse hunters like myself, unless you are a hunter, especially a bird hunter you are a secondary part of the shooting sportsman community.    This was one of the reasons I started a thread on the Nitch Shooting Sportsman, the American Sportsman is not a Nitch, it still a major part of the American culture.  It is true however our generation is slowly fading away and new members need to be added.  RGS & the NRA and many other organizations are woking on this all the time now.   

Dave B - L.C. Smith Man

There is way more to being a Shooting Sportsman than just shooting Clay targets.

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Posted : September 30, 2019 5:14 pm
Moonshine
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@dave-buehner

"There is way more to being a Shooting Sportsman than just shooting Clay targets."

Well, Dave, there is way more to being a Shooting Sportsman than just hunting wild birds.

Would you consign all the participants in the various shooting events to the junkyard, because they don't involve hunting birds? The Olympics and other international competition? The thousands of driven bird shooters across the UK, Spain, and several South American countries, who, for a variety of reasons, cannot rough shoot?

Where would shotgun and ammunition makers be if their only customers were those who had the time, the territory, the capability, and the desire to shoot live birds?

You have to admit your viewpoint as you express it is highly biased and one-sided.

In another topic, I recently stated how I had influenced some 15+ folks to take up shotguns and shooting. If your type of hunting wild birds were the only game in town, none of them, including me, would be shooting.

Better give a little more thought to this, Nimrod.*

* You do know about Nimrod, right? 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod

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Posted : September 30, 2019 8:09 pm
Further North
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@settertude

Ah yes--I am caught up, now. Maybe.

I wonder if it is possible to discuss the issues that politics touch, without making 'politics' the hammer?

No--let me correct myself. I don't wonder. I am certain that effort can accomplish this.

Axes are best ground in the shop before the edge is brought to bear.

Full disclosure: I am a consumer of all things politic...just sayin'.

Thanks for making that point.  We absolutely can discus issues that politics touch without making politics the hammer.

In my mind, we do that by talking about individuals and their actions, not their political choices, and not about parties.  We don't make disparaging comments about parties, or ways of thinking, we talk about the actions of people, and the actions we might take to turn the tide if that's what needs to be done.  We don't point fingers, or blame people who think differently from us.

Not if we want to have a useful impact, anyway.

IMO, of course.

@dave-buehner

Dave, I'm not going to bother quoting you, but here's the gist of what I think:  Discussing politics is divisive and destructive.  Using politics as a bludgeon, to tell others how wrong they are, how uninformed they are, how stupid they are...and blaming whatever group we're not part of for all the wrong they perceive is worse...orders of magnitude worse. 

I can't think of a singe place where it doesn't quickly descend to name calling, finger pointing and worse.  I've no time for that in my life, and feel sorry for people who seek it out.  One can follow politics without engaging in that behavior, but few people pull it off. 

I can recommend several forums for you if you want to engage in that behavior, where your voice will be one of many in the echo chamber.  I can also recommend a couple where you would be the lone voice in the wilderness, attacked and belittled by virtually everyone. PM me if you'd like links.

"Some people stand tall as great leaders because they elevate all the people around them, some seek to stand tall by pushing all around them down."

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Posted : September 30, 2019 11:22 pm
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