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Lee Sykes
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Posted by: Buford

Very nice!  Check out the proof pressure:  1630 bar.  Don't have to worry what you feed it, almost double a typical 900 bar CIP proof pressure.  Like the Rizzinis, offered in alloy frames too for hunters.  The Rizzini BR110 in 28 gauge in steel is 6 pounds, which is a fine weight for me.  I wouldn't want anything over 6.5 pounds for a field gun.

Bruce

 

I assume that 900 bar is for a 12 gauge, proofed for 1 1/8 oz of shot.  The smaller the bore, the greater the p.s.i.  So it bears no relation to the proof pressure of the 12 bore gun.  

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Posted : November 11, 2018 4:38 pm
Buford
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You are correct that smaller bores produce higher pressures, but the 1630 bar still greatly exceeds the CIP proof requirements for the 3" 2o gauge or the 3" 28 gauge.

Bruce

http://www.cip-bobp.org/homologation/en/tdcc_public?page=2&cartridge_type_id=7

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Posted : November 11, 2018 9:39 pm
Dave B - L.C. Smith Man
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Buford,

   You are correct sir, however if you use the new SpredR shells no worries about the pressure and the shells work well in the old American classic double guns.   I use them quite a bit now Grouse and Woodcock hunting.  The SpredR shells down the birds quite nicely with minimum recoil.

Dave B. - L.C. Smith Man

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Posted : November 13, 2018 11:41 am
Buford
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Thanks.  Unfortunately, I have to shoot non-tox mainly and I have been using the Kent bismuth loads to good effect in my 20 gauge this year.  My original comment was only to point out that the Fabarm was stoutly proofed at 1630 bar when a 3" magnum seems to be proofed at 1320 bar.  We won't get into the extra steel proofing, exhibiting the so-called fleur-de-lis proof mark.  Even Beretta USA doesn't know what it means.

Bruce

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Posted : November 13, 2018 12:50 pm
Lee Sykes
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Dave, I notice you are pretty high on spredr loads and seem to push them at every opportunity.  How about using barrels that are properly choked for the game, to begin with?  i know that they are supposed make a full choke perform like i.c. and can see why that might be advantageous in some instances but can see no practical use for a spredr load in a bore as small as 28.  A wider, thinner pattern is just robbing Peter to pay Paul. especially with less than an ounce of shot.  Spredrs may allow you to hit a few birds you would have otherwise missed but would certainly increase lost birds and "head up" retrieves.  

 

 

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Posted : November 13, 2018 3:35 pm
Dave B - L.C. Smith Man
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Lee,

   I do like the SpredR shells especially in our pre 13 L.C. Smith double guns, that were choked for slow burning powders.  I use them under my 1st trigger, the 2nd trigger usually has good Fiocchi or B&P stuff.  It all depends on how the original gun was actually choked.  The SpredR's work great and they keep an owner from having to open the chokes up for Grouse hunting on older guns, leaving them in original condition for the next generation of the family.  

Further we always hunt with good gun dogs that track and retrieve well, seldom do we ever loose a winged bird of any kind.  A dog who does not track and retrieve well is only half a dog in the Grouse woods.

Dave B. - L.C. Smith Man

Pine Creek Shadow, our new Gordon Grouse Dog puppy from Clearcut Kennels.

Click on picture to enlarge.

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Posted : November 19, 2018 8:28 pm Lee Sykes and setterman222 liked
setterman222
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Fine lookin' Gordon pup, Dave!!

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john mcg
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Sure is a cute looking pup.

Nice shoe polishing kit.

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Posted : November 22, 2018 12:51 pm
Dave B - L.C. Smith Man
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john mcg,

   Got to admit I am much like you, there is fun in the search for a gun you happen to want to acquire.  I especially like going into old gun shops and looking around for old L.C. Smith or LeFever double guns, the chase is part of the fun.

Most of the time I come out without anything purchased, however every once in a while you find an old double gun that somebody has taken excellent care of, they tend to find their way home into my gun safe.  

Dave B. - L.C. Smith Man

Ken picked this nice Fox up this year off the internet, got to admit I have been doing the same thing also.

Click on picture to enlarge.

Fox a grade 16  grade 10 wood!

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Posted : December 16, 2018 2:42 pm
john mcg
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Posted by: thornton
Posted by: john mcg
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John, if you are essentially replacing a Harley then the clear choice would be an "actual" Browning Sweet 16...PB, 26", improved cylinder...... as classic a quail swatting scattergun as one could ever hope to find.

Those OK bobwhites will then be quaking in their mocassins.

 

By the way, nice problem for which a solution is needed.

I concluded last year, that I am not a semi guy. They are cool, though and my mind has changed before.

Harley touring much of the country---itch scratched. Time to get back to the woods. Much less risky.

 

There are semi-autos and then there are...semi-autos but I do understand.

Just thought a gun that clanked a bit like a Harley might appeal. 🙂

All of my protestations seemed to have been the hollow sound of a wind blowing through a 6 foot wide 15 foot deep trench in the panhandle. I ordered another BUL as the sale price was silly....and I find myself wanting hear the sound of that Sweet Sixteen mentioned. How does that sound go, again?

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Posted : December 18, 2018 9:51 am
john mcg
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Posted by: Dave B - L.C. Smith Man

john mcg,

   Got to admit I am much like you, there is fun in the search for a gun you happen to want to acquire.  I especially like going into old gun shops and looking around for old L.C. Smith or LeFever double guns, the chase is part of the fun.

Most of the time I come out without anything purchased, however every once in a while you find an old double gun that somebody has taken excellent care of, they tend to find their way home into my gun safe.  

Dave B. - L.C. Smith Man

Ken picked this nice Fox up this year off the internet, got to admit I have been doing the same thing also.

Click on picture to enlarge.

Fox a grade 16  grade 10 wood!

That is a handsome gun, Dave.

https://woodlandclearing.wordpress.com

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Posted : December 18, 2018 9:52 am
Dave B - L.C. Smith Man
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john mcg,

    No doubt about it a real nice Fox A.  Maybe I will end up with her farther down the road when Big - K want to sell her.  Ken has a way of always coming up with something new for his gun collection and his business.  Where I tend to keep my double guns for ever, once I make the purchase.  This particular Fox A is a keeper, exceptional gun for  Box Lock for sure.

Dave B. - L.C. Smith Man

A little L.C. Smith Eye Candy

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Posted : December 18, 2018 12:07 pm
john mcg
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Posted by: Dave B - L.C. Smith Man

john mcg,

    No doubt about it a real nice Fox A.  Maybe I will end up with her farther down the road when Big - K want to sell her.  Ken has a way of always coming up with something new for his gun collection and his business.  Where I tend to keep my double guns for ever, once I make the purchase.  This particular Fox A is a keeper, exceptional gun for  Box Lock for sure.

Dave B. - L.C. Smith Man

A little L.C. Smith Eye Candy

468 original w1920 1050x788

That is a beautifully fancy specimen to be sure, Dave.

Works of art are these guns...and tooled for the job, as well.

😉

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Posted : December 18, 2018 3:28 pm
thornton
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Posted by: john mcg
 

I ordered another BUL as the sale price was silly....and I find myself wanting hear the sound of that Sweet Sixteen mentioned. How does that sound go, again?

The subtle melody of a shuffle and a slam?

Why, it goes well with a day afield behind a birddog's tail.

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Posted : December 18, 2018 3:36 pm
john mcg
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Posted by: thornton
Posted by: john mcg
 

I ordered another BUL as the sale price was silly....and I find myself wanting hear the sound of that Sweet Sixteen mentioned. How does that sound go, again?

The subtle melody of a shuffle and a slam?

Why, it goes well with a day afield behind a birddog's tail.

Yes--that's it. Thank you, sir.

I may just endeavor to hear that melody.

After all--there is that Harley.

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Posted : December 18, 2018 4:30 pm
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