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Moonshine
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@settertude

I have said my piece.

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Posted : July 30, 2019 9:26 pm
Further North
(@geoff-roznak)
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I think we've all made good points here...with no response from Admin.  I'd like to read their thoughts,

Where we're at is evaluating if the "subject" of the discussion sees Admin's position as an opportunity to reflect and tone things down, or a license to up the ante and increase the volume of the behavior that's in question.

Just my $0.02.

 

"Some people stand tall as great leaders because they elevate all the people around them, some seek to stand tall by pushing all around them down."

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Posted : July 30, 2019 9:37 pm
Moonshine
(@moonshine)
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@geoff-roznak

Well, Geoff, if there’s no change, we can simply post or email him that his remarks don’t stand up under scrutiny, and leave it at that.

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Posted : July 31, 2019 11:25 am
Further North
(@geoff-roznak)
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@moonshine

That's not the worst idea I've ever heard... 😀 😏 

"Some people stand tall as great leaders because they elevate all the people around them, some seek to stand tall by pushing all around them down."

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Posted : July 31, 2019 11:27 am
Dave B - L.C. Smith Man
(@dave-buehner)
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Admin,

   Even when you tell certain members to knock off the bickering, it continues with the personal insults.  It is almost impossible today to have friendly conversations, way to may people would rather undermine the forum with personal insults than participate in a civilized manner.  

Dave B - L.C. Smith Man

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Posted : July 31, 2019 12:03 pm
Further North
(@geoff-roznak)
Prominent Member

Dave, show us one...just one...insult.

...and you just told us what direction you'll take from Admin's post.  That's too bad.

"Some people stand tall as great leaders because they elevate all the people around them, some seek to stand tall by pushing all around them down."

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Posted : July 31, 2019 12:08 pm
Moonshine
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Posted by: @dave-buehner

Admin,

   Even when you tell certain members to knock off the bickering, it continues with the personal insults.  It is almost impossible today to have friendly conversations, way to may people would rather undermine the forum with personal insults than participate in a civilized manner.  

Dave B - L.C. Smith Man

Since Admin’s remonstrance and request that “bickering” cease, I have not seen a single post that anyone could possibly consider an insult.

I am certain that Admin will step up if he feels anyone is out of line.

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Posted : July 31, 2019 1:12 pm
Moonshine
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@dave-buehner

Admin - Dave insulted me today. See his comment about me being ignorant on the NRA.

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Posted : August 8, 2019 5:11 pm
dam16sxs
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If I read something here about guns, hunting, dogs, etc. that I know is wrong I will correct it respectfully without ridiculing or taunting the poster.

 

I hope Administration doesn't consider that to be bickering. I just think misinformation needs to be corrected or else it is repeated so often it seems to become the truth...

Make memories with the young ones in your life - they will call up your spirit after you're gone.

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Posted : September 4, 2019 7:37 pm
Moonshine
(@moonshine)
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@dam16sxs

I think you’re right on target. 

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Posted : September 5, 2019 11:27 am
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Dave B - L.C. Smith Man
(@dave-buehner)
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Gentlemen,

    All this sound like a bunch of old men not getting their own way, my opinions differ form other members because my opinions are right and they have no way of stopping me from stating my opinions.  Never follow the crowd, always walk your own way, and think then develop your own opinions from experience and 1st hand knowledge.  Never draw your opinion of a man until you talk to him in person, group think on the Net is pure garbage.  As for misinformation, every man believes his information is correct, just who decides on what is misinformation, the  collective is wrong 99% of the time.  Talk about the subject matter and leave personal attacks out of the conversations . It is one of the reasons free speech is so important, one man standing alone can change a country.

Dave B - L.C. Smith Man

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Posted : October 5, 2019 12:20 pm
Moonshine
(@moonshine)
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@dave-buehner

“my opinions differ form other members because my opinions are right...”

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Posted : October 5, 2019 2:03 pm
Moonshine
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@dave-buehner

“Never draw your opinion of a man until you talk to him in person,”

 

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Posted : October 5, 2019 2:04 pm
Further North
(@geoff-roznak)
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@dave-buehner

Gentlemen,

    All this sound like a bunch of old men not getting their own way, my opinions differ form other members because my opinions are right and they have no way of stopping me from stating my opinions.  Never follow the crowd, always walk your own way, and think then develop your own opinions from experience and 1st hand knowledge.  Never draw your opinion of a man until you talk to him in person, group think on the Net is pure garbage.  As for misinformation, every man believes his information is correct, just who decides on what is misinformation, the  collective is wrong 99% of the time.  Talk about the subject matter and leave personal attacks out of the conversations . It is one of the reasons free speech is so important, one man standing alone can change a country.

Another, "long delay, I hope they don't notice" reply. Couple-few observations (Moonshine's already spotted a couple):

  1. You seem to be the "Old man not getting his way".  I'm not 60 yet...
  2. Your opinions are not right.  Not even close, on average. They are opinions  Often, the most resemble an "Old man not getting his way".  An opinion and $4 might get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
  3. It is better to lead a crowd than follow it...but the 2nd worst way to lead a crowd is start off by telling them they are wrong.  The worst way is call them names and blame them while you're telling them they are wrong.
  4. Walking your own way...often leaves you standing in the middle of nowhere, wondering why no one is there to learn from you...leadership is not striking out on the path you believe to be right and expecting everyone to follow.
  5. "1st hand knowledge" is great...as long as you don't assume that you've managed to cover, and experience, all the possible variables.  That kind of closed mind thinking is so close to useless that any distinction is valueless.
  6. Never draw your opinion of a man until you talk to him in person" is pretty good.  You've done that with few here...if any...might wanna think on that...
  7. "...group think on the Net is pure garbage."  Mmmm....not always.  In fact, not often.  Might wanna dig into that a little.  Feels like you're behind the times on that one...
  8. "As for misinformation, every man believes his information is correct, just who decides on what is misinformation, the  collective is wrong 99% of the time." Neither you, nor anyone else, gets to decide what's misinformation.  That's a huge disconnect, there, perhaps one of the bigger ones I've seen.  Facts, as we understand them right now, given current scientific limits, help us determine that.  Problem is...good luck getting access to raw, unfiltered data... As to the "...the collective being wrong 99% of the time..."; that's a boldly nonsensical statement, an opinion at best, the rantings of "Old man not getting his way" more often.  Far, far more often.  Pro'lly like 8.5:1 or better.
  9. "Talk about the subject matter and leave personal attacks out of the conversation."  You bet.  Heed your own advice on that one, you fail often.  So do most folks, it's not just a "you" thing...
  10. "It is one of the reasons free speech is so important...", it is...but don't confuse "free speech" with the "right" to bump our gums on private forums.  Their house, their rules...period.  Also: Don't latch on to the idea that "free speech" doesn't have consequences.  When w bump our gums, we need to own the consequences of that gum-bumping, regardless of how unpleasant they may be.
  11. "...one man standing alone can change a country." They can, but it's darned unlikely.  I can't, in fact, think of any examples.  Most often a man standing alone winds up angry, frustrated, PO'd trying to figure out why everyone else can't see their brilliance and path to utopia...that's the difference between vision and leadership.

...as an aside, your constant reference to "man" and "men" is offensive and derogatory to about half the population.  The age of deference to chromosomes is over, thank God.  It'd help you a lot if you learned that, accepted that, and incorporated it into your writing.  You certainly have the "right" to not do do so...but see above: You must accept the consequences.

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"Some people stand tall as great leaders because they elevate all the people around them, some seek to stand tall by pushing all around them down."

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Posted : October 6, 2019 8:21 pm
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Moonshine
(@moonshine)
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@geoff-roznak

🥂 

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Posted : October 6, 2019 9:56 pm
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